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PHOTOS and VIDEOS: President Obama Visits Northern Virginia

President Obama made a campaign stop Saturday at Centreville High School in Clifton.

 
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President Barack Obama and supporters at Centreville High School, July 14, 2012.
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Annandale High School teacher, James “Stratton” Shartel welcomes President Obama to Centreville High School on July 14, 2012.
President Obama greets the crowd at Centreville High School on July 14, 2012.
President Obama discusses the 'American Dream' and his first term as the President at Centreville High School on July 14, 2012.
Obama discusses the economy and how he's different than Romney. Centreville High School, July 14, 2012.

President Obama visited Centreville High School in Fairfax County Saturday as part of a campaign swing through the state.

The photos were taken at the speech, in the high school gym, as well as outside the school, where some local protesters gathered beforehand.

Read more about today's visit here:

President Obama Campaigns at Centreville High

The CVHS Presidential Visit: What You Need to Know

Obama to Speak at Centreville High School Saturday

Many Wait in Line for President Obama Rally Tickets

Poll: Should Obama Propose Extending Tax Cuts to All?

Related Topics: Centreville High School, Fairfax County, President Obama, Presidential Campaign, and presidential election

Marta D. Saltus

7:14 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

I heard the the counter-rally in support of Romney had over 300 attendees, and 3/4 of cars driving by gave thumbs up and approval honks to them!

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Virginia

11:05 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

Marta, the response from the passers-by was HUGELY positive. It was one of the best days of my life to see so many people showing up, including a 68 year old woman who had never protested anything in her life. Obumer's steam is running out.

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bob bower

1:33 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I was there from 1pm to 4 pm and I agree. There was no harassment as the rally groups were largely on one side of the road and the Obama people lined up on the other. I recognized individuals from the Romney Team, Tea Party folks, American for Prosperity and Republican Party leadership folks along with unaffiliated parties.

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Corrine Riley

8:28 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

I was there and 300 is wildly exaggerated, maybe 50. 50 rude, antagonistic troglodytes, who must have for got that the Klan rally was 2 towns over. Before you racists start screaming the nonentity "REVERSE RACISM" I say that because instead of discourse or, hell talking points, these red-faced idiots spit insults at those of us waiting in line to see the best sitting president we have ever had (oh, there goes you little pea-brain) Way to engage in debate, way to stay classy...

Joe Bagadonuts

8:17 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

Here's a first hand account to counter your second hand story:

My photos show at most 75 protesters - and I'm being really generous. Not a single one of them was rallying for Romney. They were trolls who shouted simplistic, negative slogans against Pres. Obama and insulted the people in line to attend the Obama rally. They yelled "sheep", "socialists" and "liers" at us. One scary looking guy was yelling something about "the birth certificate". One especially spastic woman carrying an "Obama hates children" abortion poster (apparently keying on people in line carrying water bottles) yelled "don't trash my high school with your garbage like typical Democrats". They even harassed my 14 yo son (wearing an Obama shirt) as he walked to the rally. He was pretty disillusioned when he arrived.

Luckily, they were all gone after the rally. Not a single one of them stuck it out. So much for dedication. And civility.

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Judy Ann

9:01 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

There were plenty of Romney supporters there (including me), as well as people rallying against Obama's policies. ALL of them (on both sides) were civil to one another, at least from 1:30 to 3:30 pm. It was actually a lot of fun.

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Virginia

11:02 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

Smoking dope, right? There were at least as many protesters as there were ticket holders, my friend. Our count was 200. And there were definitely those of us who hung out AFTER the rally and we had interesting conversations with those who were "inside". We waved your lame-duck president goodbuy with many passers-by honking horns and saluting. You must be a member of the media to have gotten the facts to very, very wrong, my friend.

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Virginia

8:23 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Bagadonuts, send me the picture of the "Obama hates children". You can't because you don't have it. It did not exist. You lie, my friend. You simply lie. And Romney signs were everywhere. The Romney bus was even there, and it came loaded with his volunteers. Are you here to tell me they all showed up with no Romney signs? And a group of at least 12, including me, were there to save goodbuy as the motorcade drove past. And there were AT LEAST as many people on the outside protesting as there were attendees in line for tickets. Period.

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Ellie Lockwood

3:06 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Really! I read in the Washington Post this morning that there were 'scores of protesters' at the Centreville Rally. WaPo isn't usually that honest, OMHO.

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Billie Lyllton

3:59 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Mr. Bagadonuts, I see your first name is Joe. Would you be related to the famous Lunchbox Joe Biden? Your manner of speaking is much the same. By your use of the well-worn "trolls" insult in connection to the protestors, I gather you are just chock full of the civility you find lacking in the "trolls." I assume you are a typical Obama voter.

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Teresa Thompson Selove

4:28 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Typical rude people. What good did even one protester do?

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RME KRNL

4:52 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Maybe you should go to work for ABC, Mr. Bagadonuts. I hear they're into selective editing to make things appear the way they want them to. I was there, too, and if your camera only photoed 75 protesters, that might have something to do with where you were pointing it and where you were not. Looked to me like there were easily 200+ of us, many of whom, like me, stayed around to show signs to Obama when he left, just as we had when he arrived.

JoAnne Norton

9:16 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

Come on. There were not very many anti Obama people there. Media, you are really hyping it. Someone said a bus drove by. Had to get a bust to pretend that the right has a lot of supporters. So wish the media would talk about the steady job growth since Obama took over from Bush, the outrageous rich corporations, who do not hire people but give money to Pacs, etc And anti abortion people, the next time you protest show up with a foster child that you have adopted and nurtured. Spend your money on food for that child rather leaving him wanting for a home and love.

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Virginia

8:45 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

That's the greatest of all lies here on this post. "Steady job growth?" Oh my, what planet are you visiting earth from?

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Billie Lyllton

6:58 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Steady job growth? Steady job growth since Obama took over from Bush? Yep! Steady job growth. Two jobs a day, but subtract the "green" jobs which failed. That leaves 1/2 to one job a day. At this rate, we'll all soon be evil millionaires. By the way, PACS donate nothing in comparison to what Unions & Wall Street Crony Capitalist buds heap on Obama. Look it up at OpenSecrets. Please seek to be more well-informed. Vote for Romney, save our country from gross incompetence.

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Jim Daniels

7:47 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Starting in Jan 2008 when the Republican created recession began, the US steadily lost jobs in the economy to the point that in January 2009 when President Obama entered office nearly 850,00 jobs were lost per month. Since that day the economy under this President, despite willful obstruction from Republicans in Congress, has added 3.3 million jobs.

So, even factoring the small amount of job growth in his first term, President Bush cost the economy nearly 2 million jobs...while President Obama had created 3.3 million. So yes there has been steady job growth. Certainly a huge improvement over the failure of George Bush.

At the end of 2008 with the George Bush recession in full swing, the Dow recorded its third worst year in history, bested only in 1907 and 1931. Since then, under this President, the Dow has rebounded and has recouped all of its recession losses and added some.

Oh by the way, tax rates on Americans are at their lowest level in 30 years, thanks to cuts proposed by, and passed under this President.

Celeste Linthicum

10:09 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

I wonder why in 2008 when McCain/Palin came to Fairfax, they were not allowed to campaign in a Fairfax County high school (Fairfax HS), but today, Obama was allowed to campaign at Centreville HS? The McCain/Palin rally was supposed to be at Fairfax HS, and it was disallowed. They moved it to a park in Fairfax instead. Why was it ok for Obama to campaign at a Fairfax County high school? Just wondering if the rules changed? Or is it a Republican/Democrat issue?

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Richard Holmquist

11:35 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

I don't know whether this has changed, but there was a Fairfax County policy that said "School buildings and grounds may not be used for campaign activities during school hours." Obama's visit this week occurred during summer vacation.

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Billie Lyllton

7:03 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Oh, excellent that you recalled this, Celeste! I remember that and I was furious at the time. What's good for the Obama goose was quite obviously not so good for the Palin/McCain gander. What do you say, Board of Supervisors or whoever's running the famous Fairfax County School System? How about a little FAIRNESS? Ask Obama about FAIR.

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jack shelton

1:10 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

The principal at the time Scott Brandbrand. is a Register Democarct

Evan Draim

10:47 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

I actually participated in the rally and Romney/Tea Party supporters covered the entire block on one side of the street and spilled over onto the other side where the line was convening to get inside the school (the Obama folks). At the beginning a few people were carrying Obama signs, but soon the Romney supporters dwarfed them. We had more sound, more props, and more fun- the Obama people looked pissed the entire time rather than trying to enjoy themselves.

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Bob Miller

8:11 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

The liberals really do have a problem with TRUTH.
Glad there was a very encouraging turnout for the anti-Obama policy.

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P. Scott

8:36 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I was at the rally; there were at least two thousand Obama supporters; possibly more. They greatly exceeded the number of Romney demonstraters, possibly 100 or more. Everybody seemed civil and having fun, despite a long time in the sun and humidity!!!

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Virginia

8:40 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

P. Scott, There were only 150 tickets available for the event. So where did the other 1,850 people sit? Just wondering.

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Mary C. Stachyra

8:55 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

More information about the president's appearance and the protests outside is available in our main article: http://patch.com/A-vZRY. My rough estimate is that a couple hundred protestors were spread out along Union Mill Road around 2 p.m. Fairfax Co. fire officials estimated that there were about 2,100 supporters inside.

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Kevin Chisholm

9:28 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Look, I like Barack Obama … what is not to like. But seriously folks!

Interesting …. A public high school hosts a fund raising event for a political party. This is a company town, Washington DC that is, and I get sick of seeing “kiss up” politics. I am interesting in representing the average American, not the anxious political party hang-er-on-ers. When I travel throughout the 10th Congressional District, most people are sick of politics as usual and want to see reduction of waste in Washington (and throughout the Federal system). You will not get that by continuing support the very representatives who are primarily interested in seeing “their team” win. That is what got us in trouble – not preventing a housing crash even though it came at us with horns blowing and going into one war based on lies. The political parties are more interested in staying in “control” or something they believe to be like control, than in solving are big problems (1) debt and deficit and (2) excessive use of carbon for energy. A lower carbon economy means more jobs and less risk of future war with the other oil-hungry nations.

Kevin Chisholm
Candidate for U.S. House of Representatives (Virginia’s 10th Congressional)
www.chisholmforcongress.com

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Joe Bagadonuts

11:00 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Your first statement is incorrect. This was not a fund raiser. It was a rally. No money exchanged hands. The tickets were free. And CVHS is used for all sorts of community based events like cancer fund raising walks and church services. The school appropriately serves as an important focal point for our community.

And the rest of your message just confuses me. You've got about six different thoughts going at one time.

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Kevin Cheezum

11:56 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Obviously not all Cheezum's/Chisolm's are cut from the same kilt. There are soooo many things going the wrong way with this country. And it time to stop blaming and start doing - which is why Romney should and will be the next President of the United States. Here are just a few drops in the ocean of problems with Obama - National Debt, Unemployment, Taxes (including Obamacare), class and race warfare, non-support of small business, more people on food stamps than ever in our history, poverty-level, and so on and so on ........

Mary Wagner

9:43 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Get your facts straight! There were many tickets available for the rally, not 150. The audience waited in line on Thursday to get those tickets. Also, a friend has a picture of a senior citizen holding a sign up that said "honk for Obama" so not quite sure all that honking was for Romney. I certainly did not see 300 protesters there. I guess Romney didn't need the bus yesterday as he was taking the weekend off at his lake estate, @ Virginia - learn how to spell the word 'goodbye'. Your spelling error says a lot! Fired up and ready to go!

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Virginia

10:42 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Mary, it says a lot to ME that you are worried about the wrong things, like my typing error.

Jim Daniels

11:16 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I'm happy for the Romney supporters, tea partiers, and the various other conspiracy theorists, that protested out in front of Centreville High School yesterday during President Obama's appearance there. They looked like they were having fun. I want people to have fun, and to be happy - even if they are rooting against my team.

They remind me of Chicago Cubs fans.

In the back of their minds Cubs fans know how it is gonna end - that nagging feeling that they are most assuredly, inevitably, going lose yet again. But, they keep coming back for more, and every once in a while their heroes hit a home run, or even win a game. And so, for one, brief shining moment they can revel in the illusion that maybe this time the ending will be different...but it won't be.

So like those Cubs fans who this October will again be slinking back to the north side of Chicago to watch some other team win the World Series all the while thinking to themselves "wait til next year", this November, after President Obama wins reelection that will include the electoral votes of the Commonwealth of Virginia, Romney supporters can head home, watch the President give his victory speech from that very same Chicago, all the while saying to themselves - "wait til 2016."

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Mark Carolla

11:26 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I'm not a Romney fan, but, Jim Daniels you are correct. As long as people are having fun and not yelling at each other; calling names; and the like this is what democracy is all about...However, if they act like the tales I've heard tell about Philadelphia Eagles fans.......

Mark Carolla

11:17 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Thank you,Mary C. Stachyra, for your accurate reporting. Interesting that one commentator basically doesn't believe the Fairfax County Fire Department estimate. From the little that one can see by the photos posted by readers it appears there might have been a few hundred Romney supporters demonstrating. I would hope that Patch commentators would refrain from calling each other and reporters "liars" when they disagree with each other. Also, making accusations of "smoking dope" and challenging the mental health of those that disagree with you is a bit uncivil. I must say that being in "advanced youth" the tenor of the extreme Right reminds me way too much of those of the extreme Left during the Vietnam War Era. One of the things I was taught in history class was that the political world isn't flat; it is a sphere and the radical ideologues of the left and the right are so far apart from each other that they are next to each other in behavior.

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Dave

11:22 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I'm 68 years old I haven't seen as much hate as the anti-Obama crowd constantly demonstrates since the anti-civil rights bigotry in the sixties. Nothing he has done or hasn't done merits the vitriol and nothing he could do would change the attitude of Tea Party members. If the economy was growing at 10% a year they would still rankle at having a black guy in the White House.

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DGeorge

11:45 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Dave,
Who is making death threats to Brad Pitts mother? She responsibly made her thoughts known in a news article and she is now in hiding from the threatened violence from the peace and love darlings on the left.

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Billie Lyllton

7:09 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Dave, there you go, yapping about people being rankled at having a "black guy" in the WH. The "rankling" has to do with Obama's FAILED record, his utter incompetence, and his lack of any new ideas. Please get over your 20th century obsession with race. Good grief. Oh, BTW, Have you heard of the psychology term "projecting?"

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Deborah Bissen

9:44 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

So true...the hatred from some Republicans is so disturbing.

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Rick

12:16 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Dave, I completely disagree with your assessment that the anti-Obama "crowd constantly demonstrates" the hate and bigotry you write about. Rather than broad generalizations, please provide us with SPECIFIC examples of racism, bigotry and hatred and then maybe someone can take you seriouisly. In the absence of that, despite your years of experience,you are no better than the folks who you claim are racists and bigoted and hate. Why do you think it is o.k. for you to cast those aspersions on others (without specifics) and think that you make any sense. My take is that you're buying into the Left's tactics, believing that the Right is full of demons, haters, bigots and racists....and I completely reject that assessment. Thnk about it. President Obama is anti-capitalist, pro-government growth, and wants to "fundamentally transform" this country into something that he has yet to define. Would that be his idea of Utopia? What exactly is the goal? Do we want more of the Obama-era policies and results? I think not and I think the ire of the Tea Party movement and the Right lies in policy and direction. Not the President's skin color. Nothing could be more meaningless. Historical, yes; significant to policy - no.

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Virginia

12:24 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Rick, will you marry me? : )

Just Joe

12:03 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Is Obama with his Billion dollar campaign fund paying for this or are the taxpayers footing the bill?

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Jim Daniels

12:13 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

"National Debt, Unemployment, Taxes (including Obamacare), class and race warfare, non-support of small business, more people on food stamps than ever in our history, poverty-level, and so on and so on ........"

All worse under or caused by the economic philosophy of the last President...whose example Mitt Romney looks too...fortunately for this state and country he will not get the opportunity...

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Bob Miller

4:32 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Jim,
Your list is current Administration, not previous. I guess your typing fingures got tired.

Virginia

12:39 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

What you will NOT read in the liberal press about Romney: In 1984 he co-founded Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts, turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people. Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many others.

He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad's gubernatorial campaign 1 year. He was an unpaid intern in his dad's governor's office for eight years. He was an unpaid bishop and state president of his church for ten years. He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for three years. He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years. He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.

Mitt Romney is one of the wealthiest self-made men in our country but has given more back to its citizens in terms of money, service and time than most men.

And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income. And you guys gave us a Community Organizer.

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Jim Daniels

1:31 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

What it does show is that you are an excellent user of the cut and paste funtion on your computer!!

What you won't hear from the Right Wing media... "President Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States"

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Carol Lewis

5:52 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

So I get that he's wealthy but please tell me what he will DO to turn things around in this country. I don't think being wealthy is enough. Please be specific.

P. Scott

1:26 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Just wanted to indicate that there were over two thousand tickets available. Everyone had to have a ticket to enter except people who volunteered. People who volunteered received volunteer ids which allow them to enter after all ticket holders entered. The Centerville gym was completely full. I don't know if there were any people in the designated overflow area in the cafeteria. People obtained tickets by going Thursday or Friday to an Obama office (and waiting in line for that!!) There were very small number of people who had arranged to pick up tickets at the rally.

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Marta D. Saltus

1:33 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Jim, you are the one insulting people here, I feel sorry for you that to make your point, you attack, typical leftist tactic. Have you read Rules for Radicals from Saul Alinsky? I bet you have.

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Mark Carolla

5:47 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Marta, the only "insult" that one can perceive from Mr. Daniels in this commentary is that he presents evidence or reasonable deductions to undermine your statements alleging that there were no more than about 750 Obama supporters at the rally. You allege further that he is making his comments based on an extreme left wing radical's scrawl from the 70's....Part of American democracy in our republic is that there will always be part of the electorate that will disagree with one's views...being in disagreement and presenting evidence for it does not make them insulting.

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Jim Daniels

7:27 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Yes facts and reason are often an attack strategy used by the left!

Virginia

1:35 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Folks, I'm moving on. We don't agree on the numbers. Okay, I doubt if we agree on very much at all. I will leave you with this, my most heart-felt opinion, we can't afford four more years of this administration. I will give this campaign everything I have to give politically and financially to help get that man out of the White House. And if what happened in 2010 is any indication, and given the fact that this Obama Care Tax has slipped into possible implementation, you guys "ain't seen nothing yet" till you see what we do to your party at the poll come this November. Goodby.

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Uncle Smartypants

1:42 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Bye Virginia! Bye Marta! ~waves hand~ See you at the book burning!

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Teresa Thompson Selove

4:11 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I tried, but was unable to get tickets as the lines at the Fairfax OFA office exceeded the number available at that location, which was reported by a staff worker THERE at 750. There were tickets also available, possibly the same number, at the Falls Church OFA office. No doubt, a number had already been dispersed to dignitaries and other community members. Trying to inflate the number of rude protesters over the full-capacity diverse Obama crowd is really unnecessary and obviously a ridiculous exaggeration. It was Obama's gathering, and a successful one it was. The protesters were just the typical self-righteous, and not surprisingly non-diverse, whiners and complainers. I don't believe the "other side" did any such thing to Romney, but then that is not the nature of the President's supporters, who tend to be more respectful in general.

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Carol Lewis

5:53 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

While everyone argues over ticket numbers, which is about as useful as counting angels dancing on the heads of pins, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what Romney will do that will be helpful to our country. Waiting all day.....

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Corrine Riley

8:37 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Carol,you'll never get an answer to that one.Not an intelligent one anyway :)

Billie Lyllton

7:17 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Look, it doesn't matter how many people were at Obama's rally and how many were protesting at Centerville HS. If you really have your ear to the ground, you can hear the far off thunder that's growing and growing. Virginians for Romney. Virginians for George Allen. Virginians for offshore drilling. Virginians for religious freedom. Virginians against ObamaCare. Virginians against new regulations for any-and-everything -you- can - name. Virginians laughing at the smug superiority of the East Coast Urban Elite. Virginians who just can't wait til Nov. 6! Capice? Entiendo? Can you hear it now?

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Jim Daniels

7:26 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

That's not thunder...it's laughter!! The words "President Romney" will have that affect on people!

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Mark Carolla

9:48 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Billie --- Minor items and I'm saying it good naturedly and not in a name-calling way --- other than to say "natty-natty-boo-boo): In proper Italian it is "capisce?" not " capice?" and in Spanish you wrote "I understand?" or literally "do I understand?" Proper Spanish would be "entiende?" Guess you are eager to show off that there is no way you could be part of the mythical "East Coast Urban Elite" (If you are going to conjure up elitist conspiracies please don't forget the Left Coast!) and are a part of what the late Richard Hofstader referred to in his book "Anti-Intellectualism in American History." I guess it depends where one has one's ear to the ground..we'll see on November 6. You're correct, the election is not going to be settled by who has the most signs or biggest crowds...but by "the Silent Majority."

Faye Styles-Frye

7:22 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

You know what! Who cares, vote for whoever you want for goodness sake. Bottom line the candidate with the most votes WIN...

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Rick

8:09 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

My neighbor is a liberal. He doesn't make any sense either. These people seem incapable of understanding what's really happening in our dear, suffering country. If we continue down the path of 'good intentions' that these bleeding hearts would have us travel, we're all doomed to slow/no growth economy, higher unemployment and more governmental control. Of course, we conservatives battle for liberty and freedom from tyranny....and they call us the knuckleheads. Wrong is right and right is wrong. Things are getting loony and when we stick to our principles (i.e. Constitutional conservativism)....the Lefties get angry. Their mob mentality and unin thuggery shall not carry the day. I can't wait for November.

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Mark Carolla

10:17 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Rick, I think our country is in trouble because some have made liberalism versus conservatism a zero sum game. I was beginning to feel uneasy about the Clintonistas in the Obama Administration and then the Republicans basically said "we are not going to let this government accomplish anything until we get rid of Obama." The Tea Party is a minority...period...and needs to understand that when you are a minority in a democracy you can't demand all or nothing. Whether or not Obama is a one term or two term President is not going to result in tyranny for this country nor would a Romney Presidency be a disaster for "liberalism." When conservatives really consider an opposing party in power (sort of) a "tyranny" I would suggest they are no longer "conservatives" but ideological "radicals." We saw this from the Left in the 1960's too. We have lost the concept of a loyal opposition - if the Republicans hadn't catered to the extreme right Obama would be well on his way to becoming another Jimmy Carter...but the broad American Middle is more terrified of the extreme right than they are of the Democrats.

Vicki

8:37 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

You all should read your comments and see how crazy both sides sound. Maybe if both "sides" stopped yelling at each other long enough and had an actual conversation, something might actually get accomplished. For the most part, all of you sound just exactly like the democrats AND the republicans in congress and the senate, neither of whom have been able to accomplish much of anything because they are too busy trying to get into shouting matches and pissing contests, instead of actually earning their paychecks. And lest we all forget, the president isn't actually the one with all the power. Grow up, neighbors, and start acting like the adults that you want your elected officials to be. Some of you Ought to be ashamed of yourselves. I hope you aren't teaching your children these values or behaviors. When I grew up my parents taught me the value of civil discourse, not to act like I was a participant on fox or CNN. this will now be the first and last time I attempt to get connected to my neighborhood online. And for the record, it is kind of ironic how this neighborhood is supposed to be filled with such "nice" people....I am not seeing it on this link....

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Mark Carolla

10:25 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

No, Vicki, stay connected...we need voices of reason!

Joe Bagadonuts

8:46 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Actually Vicki, I think everyone here is writing crazy stuff, just trying to out-funny the next guy. That's certainly the case for me. I mean this is an internet comments section - nobody takes this serious. So how about it everyone else: you don't really mean all the batsh*t crazy stuff you're writing, do you? God, I hope not.

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Sandra

9:01 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I agree with Vicki. There is an alarming tendency to start name calling when bloggers don't agree with each other. I vote independent of party because I believe in voting for the person that I think will do the best job, regardless of the party line. I also agree with Carol, that I have yet to see what Romney and the GOP will do to improve things. So far, all that I have seen from GOP supporters on this blog is a lot of nasty name-calling (and personally, just because I like Obama more than Romney doesn't mean I'm a facist, socialist, parasite on society). Please, let's show more respect for each others' opinions. If you don't like what someone says, then respond politely and respect the fact that one of the greatest things about our country is the fact that you can express your opinions freely. As Vicki said, part of the reason that nothing has gotten accomplished is that both parties refuse to work together to craft the best legislation possible. Everyone is so busy worrying about losing ground if they compromise that absolutely nothing gets done. I would love to see a 3rd party created, one for those of us that prefer the middle. I don't want extremes, I want someone who is willing to look at all of the sides to come up with a workable solution. I'm sick of political rhetoric.

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Rick

9:58 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

The confusion and perceived divisivness among us is, in my humble opinion, a victory for the Left. If we don't concern ourselves with the direction of this country and what type of federal (state and local, too) government we want, then our freedom will continue to slip from our hands and those that follow us. We may not realize just how fragile our freedom is until we start seeing it slip away (e.g. Obamacare --> which willl logically lead to a single payer healthcare system, government takeovers of the student loan program (why was that done?), bailouts of union-oriented industries (GM) and failed green company government loan bets (e.g. Solyndra), huge federal stimulus packages that fail to stimulate the economy (e.g. very few shovel-ready jobs, states used it to pay off pension debt, etc.). And on top of all of these wasteful and highly political agenda-driven "accomplishments" of this Administration, we haven't been operating on a (Constitutionally-mandated) Federal Budget in over 3 years. I don't intend this to be political "rhetoric". I am simply gravely concerned for the future of America as we know it. Anerican (regulated) capitalism has produced the most wealth for the most number of people in the history of the world. And the current Administration wants to "fundamentally transform" America into something else. Well, the only conclusion I can make is that they don't like America the way she is. I love my country. We can improve, but this is insane.

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Sandra

10:17 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Funny, but I see it the opposite way. Why is it that the Right (aka the GOP) is so determined to portray itself as standing up for individual rights when they are working so hard to restrict them? For example, I seem to recall a new Virginia law requiring women who want to have an abortion to undergo an expensive (and non-funded) medical procedure just because the GOP is against abortion? Seems to me that the GOP is all for individual rights only as long as it fits their agenda. What I'm afraid of if the GOP takes control is that more of my civil liberties will be restricted because they think it is "in my best interest".

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Mark Carolla

10:31 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Uncivil behavior and Looney Tunes scrawls are a product of the Internet Age. Back in the day if one wanted to express an opinion one wrote a letter to the editor with one's real name attached. Bloggers can hide behind pen names and even those that use their real names tend to scrawl a stream of consciousness harangue that they would be embarassed to address somebody with at a picnic, barbecue, or cocktail party face to face with a person.

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Rick

10:58 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Dear Mark Coralla,
I don't care what your name is and I don't care for you to know or care about mine. Welcome to 2012. This is an online forum to express, share and debate ideas. Not a place to point fingers, name names, socialize or navigate some ridiculous online social structure that you seem to relish based on your reference to backyard barbeques and cocktail parties where your ilk talk about this crap. I have better things to do in my real world life. What a weird post.
- Rick

Jim Daniels

10:27 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

It always amuses me when the right talks about individual liberties and government overreach...all the while restricting rights to privacy, speech and voting rights because they personally don't agree with the choices those exercising those rights are making...makes their protestations of government overreach ring all the more hollow!

I also find it amusing they decry Obamacare as socialism, when a mere twelve years ago the right wing Heritage Foundation, and Republicans in Congress and in the states (including of course Mitt Romney who successfully implemented this very plan in Massachusetts...where it has worked quite well btw), were pimping it as the conservative alternative to the Clinton health care plan. It emphasized personal responsibility they said, punishing those who were freeloading off others for their medical care...it left health care in the hands of private insurance companies, padding their bottom line (the true reason for the high cost of health care), by adding millions of new customers to their rolls...they loved it!

It just shows you how far off the rails the modern Republican Party has gone when this Heritage Foundation plan is now considered socialism. If people weren't dying because of their effort to gut it, it would be funny!

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Rick

11:03 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I'm amused, too. Specific examples, please, rather than broad generalities? This is a beautiful tactic used by those on the Left who have an empty tank when it comes to facts and real world examples.
The Voting Rights issue in particular - can you tell me more about that one, Jim? I'll be having a drink with Jack Daniels while I wait for your reply. :o)

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Rick

11:06 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Oh, and tell me more about the people who are "dying because of (the GOP) effort to gut (Obamacare)". This ought to be interesting.

Rick

10:37 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I respect your angle on the abortion issue. However, there's a large difference, Sandra, between what one state might choose to do within its borders and what the whole country would be like if proposed laws like the one you reference were to be passed in Congress and signed into law by a President. Yikes, right? But that's what I fear is being done by the Left at the Federal level now. I don't want Obamacare. But I've got it. Romney argues that Romneycare was just for Mass. and he will move to repeal Obamacare if he is elected. I see that as a very clear and valid reason (for those who accuse him of flip-flopping....it's just a weak attack). Liberals love to claim that they are 'fighting for the little guy' and whatnot.....but are they really? The Democrat agenda is a tax & spend-centric, government-growing behemoth that would destroy the individual's ability to create personal wealth, own personal property (including our financial investments like 401Ks which they have their eye on) and dramatically increase dependence on government (high unemployment, record numbers of folks on Food Stamps). To select ONE issue and make that the decision point for whether one may support one party over the other is rather short-sighted, IMHO. Watch out for the trap you seem to be in. To pick abortion as that single issue...well, again, that's probably intentionally divisive and serves to heighten the emotions of voters. Once they have you there, they demonize their opponents.

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Jim Daniels

10:53 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Except Republicans have nationalized the abortion issue by campaigning for repeal for Roe v. Wade, and for an amendment to the Constitution banning abortion.

Romney says he will repeal Obamacare...now....certainly a different tune than the one he was singing just a couple of years ago when he advocated applying the Massachusetts plan nationally...and of course the plan now known as Obamacare was lifted nearly verbatim from the national plan advocated by Republicans in Congress and the Heritage Foundation not all that long ago...

Privacy rights, speech and voting are not subject to restriction by the states because they violate the rights enumerated in the Constitution...

Tax rates are at their lowest level in 30 years because of cuts proposed by President Obama and passed under his leadership. In fact the federal tax burden has historically been at its lowest under Democratic administrations.

In terms of jobs...2 million jobs were lost under President Bush, 3.3 million have been gained under President Obama.

The stock market as represented by the Dow had its third worst year ever in 2008 due the recession initiated by the last President...dropping close to 6500. It has regained that loss under President Obama and is now ahead of those levels...

Jim Daniels

11:11 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

As quoted by this study from the New York University of Law:

"These new restrictions fall most heavily on young, minority, elderly, and low-income voters, as well as on voters with disabilities. This wave of changes may sharply tilt the political terrain for the 2012 election and beyond."

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/voting_rights_elections/

Regarding the new law in Pennsylvania - Mike Turzai, Majority Leader Pennsylvania House:

“We are focused on making sure that we meet our obligations that we’ve talked about for years,” said Turzai in a speech to committee members Saturday. He mentioned the law among a laundry list of accomplishments made by the GOP-run legislature.
“Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”

Voter ID laws, a classic case of Republicans trying to game the system because they know a true airing of their governing philosophy will lose them election after election. If they can't convince the voters...just dump enough of them to allow a victory! There is virtually no evidence of voter fraud, voting by illegals etc. These laws will restrict far more people from voting than any supposed voter fraud they are supposedly designed to prevent...

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Rick

11:13 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Kool Aid drinker alert! This is laughable, Jim. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This country is going nowhere fast under this Administrations leadership from behind.
You know it and I know it. You can spout off your talking points all you want and some of them may even be factually correct. But the "credit" for these accomplishments should go mostly to the AMERICAN PEOPLE who will achieve some level of success in spite of what Obama has done (or not done). There is no hope for you if you believe what you write. Either that, or your job depends on an Obama victory. IF that's the case, then I'd freshen up the resume'. :o)

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Jim Daniels

11:16 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

And so their excuse when Bush was President?

Jim Daniels

11:14 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/09/17/us-usa-healthcare-deaths-idUSTRE58G6W520090917

Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

Many of these people are now covered because of Obamacare...and more will be covered by 2014 when the law is fully implemented.

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Jim Daniels

11:18 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Imagine my surprise when a right winger, provided the facts he asked for, then accuses the person of delivering them of being a kool-aid drinker. I suppose someone will come along now and explain how we are both equally to blame for the low level of discourse here...

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Rick

11:29 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Reuters....there's a good source. Still, I'd like to see some drill-down to the specifics, not the 50,000-foot level statistic of "1 person dies every 12 minutes becuase they don't have health insurance"...poppycock. You know that's bogus, Jim.
You seem to be a political hack hell-bent on taking the Democrat position on every issue rather than seeking solutions that will benefit OUR COUNTRY. WIth the influx of so many millions of illegal aliens and persons over-staying their student visas, etc, the voter ID initiative is certainly valid. You need an ID to do just about anything in this country these days and VOTING IS ONE OF OUR MOST PRECIOUS AVENUES TO PRESERVING FREEDOM in this country. And you're being dishones when you say there are "virtually" no examples of voter fraud. Ahhhh, my home state of Minnesota fraudulently elected a comedic-Senator last election. Al Franken won by just 500 or 600 votes...and they've counted way more than that number of votes cast illegally by convicted felons....and they've only just begun to get into the specifics from each county. Not a problem??? Obamacare wouldn't have passed without Franken's Democrat party-line vote. You're response is robotic and it tells me you have no soul, my fellow citizen.

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Jim Daniels

11:41 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

It references a study from Harvard University...Mitt Romney's alma mater...read it...your answers are there.

If you have specific evidence that undocumented persons are voting please provide them...they don't exist because the problem does not exist. Voting ID's have always been required to register to vote. Once done, a voter registration card has been historically what is needed then to actually vote. A system that has worked quite well until Republicans discovered too many pesky Democratic citizens were availing themselves of that right.

I too am from Minnesota, watched very carefully the proceedings of the recount regarding Senator Franken...they were conducted fairly, impartially, and with incredible attention to detail. Two of the five judges on the commission were appointed by Tim Pawlenty, one by Jesse Ventura, one Democrat Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, and one non partisan member. Every vote on which votes to accept and which to reject was unanimous...

Rick

11:40 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Jim, I just don't know how you can possibly believe what you write. That's all. It just doesn't add up. I'm not a right-winger. I'm an American. I served my country in the military. I love my country. I cry when I see it going down the tubes under poor leadership. To hell with the politics, I don't care who wins what. But I expect my kids to live in a free, economically prosperous nation and have all the opportunities I enjoyed throughout my life; enjoyed not from good luck or a silver spoon; but enjoyed because I earned what I made and am proud of my path. A country full of folks that blame America for the world's problems and who want to fundamentally transform this country into something (still yet to be defined) conjured in a liberal's mind as some state of Utopia....is a country whose people will suffer and whose fate will be in the hands of the few elite in government. That is a bleak forecast for a once powerful, prosperous and proud nation. We're on the wrong path and folks like you are steering. It's time to turn this thing around. Respectfully, you're on the wrong side of history. Again.

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Jim Daniels

11:44 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

You say: "don't care who wins what. But I expect my kids to live in a free, economically prosperous nation and have all the opportunities I enjoyed throughout my life; enjoyed not from good luck or a silver spoon; but enjoyed because I earned what I made and am proud of my path."

If that is truly the case I suggest you vote for President Obama, and for Democratic candidates at the national level...because historically, the opportunities you speak of have been more widely available under their administration than under that of Republicans...that is the correct side of history...

Rick

11:50 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Jim, So EVERY VOTE in the Franken eleciton was valid? Really.
If the Voter ID thing is no big deal ....why do the Dems resist so vehemently? Especially that liberal Dem from SC. Pelosi's #3 guy. He's a piece of work. He's an embarrassment for America. You should be embarrassed to have him in your Party. Then again, Mr. Byrd was a proud Dem, too. Harry Reid, don't get me started. And the rest. What a bunch of loons. Even President Obama says that Republicans want dirtier air and dirtier water. HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT. He's a disgrace to the office. And he can't pronounce "CORPSMAN" correctly. What were his college grades again? Oh yeah....not yet disclosed for the vetting process.

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Rick

11:51 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Go ahead libs....change the subject and ATTACK. You're very good at that.

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Joe Bagadonuts

2:14 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Yikes! Who needs libs insulting Romney when you've got John McCain? This is just a low blow:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/john-mccain-sarah-palin-romney-vp.php

Romney should demand an apology at once!

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Joe Bagadonuts

6:07 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Quote of the Day

"The only person who has seen Romney's taxes is John McCain and he took one look and picked Sarah Palin."

-- James Carville, interviewed by CBS News

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Virginia

10:31 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

My quote of the day for Joe Bagadonuts.

"To say that Steve Jobs didn't build Apple, that Henry Ford didn't build Ford Motors, that Papa John didn't build Papa John Pizza ... To say something like that, it's not just foolishness. It's insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America. I tell you this. I'm convinced that he wants Americans to be ashamed of success."

And yes, I copied and pasted that quote. Now tell me how you can insult Sarah Palin when your guy bashes and trashes what made America great?

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Joe Bagadonuts

11:05 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

"To say that Steve Jobs didn't build Apple, that Henry Ford didn't build Ford Motors, that Papa John didn't build Papa John Pizza ... To say something like that, it's not just foolishness. It's insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America. I tell you this. I'm convinced that he wants Americans to be ashamed of success."

God, this is tiresome and repetitive. But here goes:

None of these entrepreneurs and captains of industry succeeded on their own, in isolation. In addition to their genius, innovative ideas, tireless obsessive drive, etc, they required external support. Like: a reliable electrical grid, a transportation system, an education and training system that produces qualified employees, a safe and secure environment to build R&D and (at least in the past, before outsourcing) manufacturing facilities and in modern times, the Internet. All of these mens' ventures would have failed if any of these critical, external (and government supported) factors were deficient or missing.

That's why guys like Hewlett-Packard and Steve Jobs located themselves in CA, near Stanford University. They didn't locate in Mississippi or some other low-tax, low-resource, low-capability places for obvious reasons. That's the gist of what Obama is saying.

For any one who doubts what the President said, and claims to still have the capacity for critical thought: watch the whole speech and discern what he said for yourself.

Rick

11:57 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Jim, You are so, so wrong. I don't think I'll EVER cast a vote for a Democrat. I try, I really try to listen to them with an open mind. No, really I do. But they hardly ever make any sense.
I believe in the idea of America. Constitutional conservatism. Capitalism. Apple pie. Freedom. Liberty. The civil society. The way this county was intended to be.

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Rick

12:04 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

Wait...I almost forgot about the GREAT ECONOMY we experienced during the CARTER PRESIDENCY. That was a disaster. And the Clinton years benefitted from 12 years of Reagan-Bush policies that grew our economy tremendously. Then, Clinton did well for two huge reasons: NEWT GINGRICH's CONTRACT WITH AMERICA and the INTERNET BOOM. The Republican Congress forced Clinton's hand to improve the Welfare programs and, more importantly, DEFEAT HILLARYCARE.
I'm not buying your snake oil, Jim.

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Jim Daniels

12:44 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

Ok...so let me see if I got this straight...because you have clearly given this a lot of thought. Jimmy Carter was a bad President because the economy sucked while he was in the White House. President Reagan was a great President because the economy was good while he was in the White House. President Bush (the 1st) was great even though the economy sucked while he was in the White House because of the economy sucking under Jimmy Carter (despite the fact that the economy was great under President Reagan). President Clinton was bad even though the economy was great while he was in the White House not because the economy sucked under President Bush (the 1st) which sucked because of President Carter, but because of the economy being great under President Reagan. And then President Bush (the 2nd) was great even though the economy sucked while he was in the White House because it was the fault of the economy under President Bush (the 1st), who in turn was not to blame because it was the fault of President Carter (even though the economy under President Reagan was great). And now President Obama sucks, because even though the economy is getting better, it is only because of President Reagan, because the economy was great under President Clinton only because of President Reagan, not having anything to do with the economy under President Bush (the 1st), which sucked because of President Carter (even though the economy was great under President Reagan) ....did I get that straight?

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Jim Daniels

12:53 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

Oh..and to clarify...the economy under President Carter sucked because of President Carter...not because the economy sucked under President Ford, which of course only sucked because of President Truman...

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Rick

6:18 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Now your true colors are showing, Jim. You've gone a little crazy in your last post but I've heard all that and more from libs. I'm not biting. My take: Capitalism works just fine in America and has produced an environment in which we can claim to be the wealthiest nation in human history. Our society is replete with examples of "rags to riches" demonstrating the opportunity for financial prosperity no matter where one may begin. The statists like to attribute most of this wealth creation to the government which somehow makes it all happen (ref: Pres. Obama's points about paving roads, building bridges & how successful business owners think that somehow they did it all on their own. Despite his attack on business, he's partially correct). But is not the government made up of American citizens? Is not a corporation made of up American citizens, too? Yes and Yes. We all make it happen; Government itself does not. Grow the private sector to grow our economy. Make government efficient and effective and limit it to its role as defined by our founding documents. To determine how well (or not) a particular President's administration has done, it is pure folly (as you unimaginatively suggest above) to tie the country's economic performance to each administration. I agree with that. I submit that one should analyze the policies that were put in place during each and see how those have benefitted (or not) America. Statist policies don't work; Conservative policies do.

Mark Carolla

9:39 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Rick - I am making the point that there is way too much boorish behavior in these discussions, as you state "this is an online forum to express, share and debate ideas" - I agree - and the point that I was making about picnics etc. is that one would be embarassed - I hope - to talk to another person in the manner that some do here if they were in a normal social setting...such as a picnic. As for your comment about "you and your ilk" ["kind"] Do you really know what my kind is? I know that you are definitely part of that ilk - you are a Veteran aren't you? You love your country, right? You are not a right winger or leftist are you? Do you consider that "ilk" those who live normal lives off the Internet and socialize off line civily without ranting at each other.? You state "I have better things to do in my real world life. What a weird post. " So, you have better things to do than converse in normal settings.. You also say "Welcome to 2012"....I happen to have served my country, learned manners, and been taught citizenship starting about 40 years prior to 2012...and in the America that I grew up in and served, Americans didn't anonymously call each other names in newspaper columns (we didn't have the web); didn't get into yelling matches over politics; and generally could engage in a political discussion without having to put the other guy down. I hope that concept isn't really "weird" to you.

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Mary C. Stachyra

8:29 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

I think Rick is making a good, general point here. I encourage everyone commenting here to remember that while this is an online forum, most of the people reading this article are from Northern Virginia. So if you're talking to someone on this forum in a tone of total disdain, know that "in real life," they could in fact be your neighbor, coworker or friend. Please treat them with respect.

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T-Bird

2:16 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Mary, I think you make a good point, but I don't recall Rick saying anything even remotely similar. In fact, I would say the totally of his posts is quite the oppisite of this sentiment.

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Mary C. Stachyra

2:24 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Thanks, T-Bird. I know that Mark was speaking to Rick, but I was just making a general recommendation, not really directed toward a particular person.

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Rick

6:26 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Mark, My apologies for misinterpreting your comment. It seemed to come out of left field as an attack on all of us here who were just browsing the internet and chose to leave a comment or two. I'd willfully discuss any of my points with friends, family and acquaintances at barbeques, bars, swim meets and the local grocery store. So I was mildly offended by your seemingly pompous attitude and broad generalization of the folks on this forum. I take it back. I salute you for your service to our nation and humbly return the floor to you.

Virginia

9:45 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

I invite the conservatives on this forum to join me at the Monument Precinct Republican facebook page. Our precinct is a largely liberal voting block, but we are fighting hard to change that this November. http://www.facebook.com/MonumentPrecinctRepublicans

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Mark Carolla

7:02 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

@Rick - Thanks for your gracious comment. I was a bit perplexed that you took me for a pompous Leftie.

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Barbara Glakas

3:58 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Whew -- all these rants, name-calling and finger-pointing posts are making my head spin.
A couple of comments:
1. I was present at the rally too. There were some “protesters” on the outside and the gym was packed on the inside. Who knows that the exact numbers were. Does it really matter? Any reader who is interested in that can get an idea of the crowd sizes by looking at the pictures accompanying this article.
2. Centreville H.S. was available for this rally because school is out and the building was empty and available.
3. I hope you all consider sending some of your well thought out recommendations to either President Obama or Governor Romney for them to consider, for the good of the country.
4. Isn’t it great that in our country we can all express our varying Republican or Democratic opinions on a blog or at a rally and not get shot or disappear in an imprisoned or re-education camp as a result?

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Joe Bagadonuts

4:28 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

@Barbara Glakas

+1 on all points.

And about the inane competitive discussion about attendance numbers inside and outside (belabored by the outsiders): it seems completely natural that there were far more people inside than outside. I would fully expect the same for a Romney rally. Matter of fact, I expect an infinite ratio at a Romney rally: 100% inside and nobody outside.

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